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16 Micz wrote: ok, asshole no need to get hostile....u said people would eventually realize leaving in peace is better, well people today realize that killing is point blank wrong...there a difference in that, on that same note..how would people know killing was wrong...if someone didnt tell them...humans would automatically think oh killing is wrong...no idiot..from the day of abel and cain...jehovah showed that killin is wrong...which is why the majority of people dont do it...u have to be an arrogant,dumb,cuntface,dicklicking,shitface,asshole if u believe that religion didnt play a role on setting laws,and boundaries for today..

cause people are the smartest animal in existance if apes and other animals don't kill each other for no reason why would people? it doesn't make any sense its a natural instinct to prey on a species smaller/dumber than you, they also have the most developed ability to feel emotion and attachment

as i said before, religion is the basis for most laws in the world, but most of them are just common sense, don't be greedy, don't be a killer, don't steal things

think of it like this (if you don't get this analogy theres no hope for you)

if somebody punches you you're going to punch them

if somebody takes something of yours, you're going to take it back or take something of theres

if somebody trys to kill you you're going to try to kill them

humans are the most intelligent mammals on earth (this is a fact)

so how is not feasible that they could figure out the same thing that any wild animal has figured out...? very few animals kill their own kind for no reason, so why would people?

laws/punishment existed way before christianity and other modern religions did, for any successful society to work their needs to be rules enforced

christianity didn't come about 'till about 300 AD, ,their were already many successful societys that existed with rules and consequences for breaking them, the backbone of these societys was some form of religion but thats natural, without religion simpletons would break their skulls trying to think of a reason why they were put on this earth, rellgion gives them the comfort of having a reason to live whatever it may be

16 Micz wrote:1But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.

6They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. (can that be the scholars and professor u speak of)

the first paragraph again, is very generic, that could have applied in the ghengis khan days, that could apply in the 60's, that could apply in the 70's, how is that prophetic? all that is, is the opposite of what religions are suppose to stand for, naturally the downfall of a religion/society is going to happen when everything in the society is opposite of what it should be, do you think the end of a society would happen when everything is going smooth and well and their is complete peace on earth?

the second paragraph could apply to knight lancelot, or thomas jefferson, or numerous other people, men have been taking control of weak willed women since the stone age

you haven't made a decent point yet, everything you quote is extremely generic, i could quote any book that describes the future no matter how old it is and most likely certain elements may actually apply today, you don't know enough about the subject to outsmart me, the whole reason i'm not religious is because i know so much about it, unlike most people i don't follow things just because they're popular, its a fact that most intellectuals aren't religious, to be religious it requires a good bit of naiveness, i'm not naive i see things how they are

16 Micz wrote: 5.if u look at how the old religions were, even christianity, its obvious that they were doing wrong..but as far as christians going around killing people..thats true, but backduring jesus day, and the apostles that wasnt their method of converting..that started when preachers and such started molding christianity into what they felt was right..and u ca do some research on that..thats why christianity has some wacky beliefs today...and christianity didnt steal anything for other religions...they took what christ told them was the right thing and they stuck with it...other religions happened to be doing some of the same things..

6.ok so what is the difference between those cavemen discovered and men that would live in caves...just a question..

when other religions existed before christianity in the exact same area yes, they did steal some of the customs, thats one of the ways they were able to convert people easier because they "borrowed" concepts from other religions and started using them in christianity, the religion has been modifyed alot, not just in christs time, organized christianity didn't come about 'till a good while after he passed, and if you don't believe me look it up, they took a whole section out of the bible for no real reason at all

the bone structure its totally different than humans today, thicker skulls, more ape like frames and they were also smaller

do yourself a favor and read up about things i've mentioned, catholicism is the most corrupted and modifyed version of religion in history


and to clear things up, i'm not an athiest

ok you die u rot and maggots eat the insides of u YOU DIE YOUR DEAD You dont do a 2pac ok ur dead ur dead.. your not living fuck..

LoL Dont Even Bring 2Pac into it, He's No Different. He Either Faked His Own Death 2 Stage Some Resurrection Gimmick, Or Actually Died And is Nothing But Ash Now Lol

And i Think Religion Sucks Ass, All it Does is Ruin Lives, Starts Wars, Etc Etc, if God is Real Where is He Hiding? LOL And 1 Side Of My Family is Catholic, The Other is Protestant.. And im.. Nothing Stupid Thing 2 Sell ur Life And Freedom 2, it Doesnt Matter What u Follow When u Die... Thats it Lmao

Ok Lemme Make it Seem a Bit Less Harsh, We're All Born Free And Should Have The Right To Take Which Ever Path Appeals The Most To Us. Cuz if Heaven Or Hell is Real, (We Donno), The Majority Of The World Would Go 2 Heaven. i Just Think Giving ur Whole Life To Religion is Silly When it Probably isnt True, i Mean They Would Give Us Proper Signs... Not Just Something That Looks Like a Jesus Face On a Bit Of Burnt Toast... Quotin Denis Leary - 'Virgin Mary Wouldnt Be On a Blueberry Muffin, She'd Show Up in The Middle Of Air Force One On Opening Weekend After Harrison Ford's Big Closeup, Just Pop Up On The Screen n Say 'HEY!! Stop Puttin Shit in The Coffee!!!'.... in Other Words... We Have Nothing, But a Bible And Burnt Toast Lmao, And The Supposed 'Holy Water' in Lourdes. IMO We Shouldnt Dedicate Our Lives 2 Something That Probably isnt True, But Follow The Right Tracks Obv And Not Be Serial Killers Or Anything Extreme, Cuz if Hell Or Heaven Dont Exist, The Law Still Does, Concentrate On The Life ur Livin Rather Than The Afterlife...

1 Thing Tho, im Glad We Still Have Religion... Cuz We Wouldnt Have Xmas lol

Domino wrote:Ok Lemme Make it Seem a Bit Less Harsh, We're All Born Free And Should Have The Right To Take Which Ever Path Appeals The Most To Us. Cuz if Heaven Or Hell is Real, (We Donno), The Majority Of The World Would Go 2 Heaven. i Just Think Giving ur Whole Life To Religion is Silly When it Probably isnt True, i Mean They Would Give Us Proper Signs... Not Just Something That Looks Like a Jesus Face On a Bit Of Burnt Toast... Quotin Denis Leary - 'Virgin Mary Wouldnt Be On a Blueberry Muffin, She'd Show Up in The Middle Of Air Force One On Opening Weekend After Harrison Ford's Big Closeup, Just Pop Up On The Screen n Say 'HEY!! Stop Puttin Shit in The Coffee!!!'.... in Other Words... We Have Nothing, But a Bible And Burnt Toast Lmao, And The Supposed 'Holy Water' in Lourdes. IMO We Shouldnt Dedicate Our Lives 2 Something That Probably isnt True, But Follow The Right Tracks Obv And Not Be Serial Killers Or Anything Extreme, Cuz if Hell Or Heaven Dont Exist, The Law Still Does, Concentrate On The Life ur Livin Rather Than The Afterlife...

yeah i said something similar to that earlier, strip religion of all the bullshit and all it is, is common sense and doing things that are considered moral, if a person is a priest for a church for 30 years but raped children, gambled, & beat his wife but continuely expressed his devotion to god and religion you're telling me he would have a better chance at going to heaven than an athiest or agnostic person that lived a good life and donated to charity and helped those in need? that makes absolutely no sense

heres how fucked up religious peoples views are

this one preacher, minister, or whatever bought crystal meth and tryed to fuck a homosexual hooker and got arrested for it

but after he got out of jail he went to some sort of therapy

and now hes "cured" and he isn't a homosexual or a crystal meth addict anymore, and hes going to heaven lmao

drunken jesus wrote:

16 Micz wrote: ok, asshole no need to get hostile....u said people would eventually realize leaving in peace is better, well people today realize that killing is point blank wrong...there a difference in that, on that same note..how would people know killing was wrong...if someone didnt tell them...humans would automatically think oh killing is wrong...no idiot..from the day of abel and cain...jehovah showed that killin is wrong...which is why the majority of people dont do it...u have to be an arrogant,dumb,cuntface,dicklicking,shitface,asshole if u believe that religion didnt play a role on setting laws,and boundaries for today..

cause people are the smartest animal in existance if apes and other animals don't kill each other for no reason why would people? it doesn't make any sense its a natural instinct to prey on a species smaller/dumber than you, they also have the most developed ability to feel emotion and attachment

as i said before, religion is the basis for most laws in the world, but most of them are just common sense, don't be greedy, don't be a killer, don't steal things

think of it like this (if you don't get this analogy theres no hope for you)

if somebody punches you you're going to punch them

if somebody takes something of yours, you're going to take it back or take something of theres

if somebody trys to kill you you're going to try to kill them

humans are the most intelligent mammals on earth (this is a fact)

so how is not feasible that they could figure out the same thing that any wild animal has figured out...? very few animals kill their own kind for no reason, so why would people?

laws/punishment existed way before christianity and other modern religions did, for any successful society to work their needs to be rules enforced

christianity didn't come about 'till about 300 AD, ,their were already many successful societys that existed with rules and consequences for breaking them, the backbone of these societys was some form of religion but thats natural, without religion simpletons would break their skulls trying to think of a reason why they were put on this earth, rellgion gives them the comfort of having a reason to live whatever it may be

ok you're right then...so what were we arguing about, you admitting that what i said was true and the points u just brought out agreed with me, but you're thinking of only christianity...im talkin about all religions...the first killing was recorded in the bible..im sure u heard of cain and abel...cain killed his brother abel...and then fled because he realized he did something wrong..so in a sense you were right...but...if it wasnt for god...he wouldnt have cared or even realized it was wrong...see this shit could go way back to adam and eve eating from the tree of knowledge of good and bad...im not a bible scholar but i know enough imo to put up an argument.

", the whole reason i'm not religious is because i know so much about it, unlike most people i don't follow things just because they're popular, its a fact that most intellectuals aren't religious, to be religious it requires a good bit of naiveness, i'm not naive i see things how they are"

it doesnt require any sort of naiveness....as long as your not too arrogant..and have too much pride..you would be able to see the obvious...but then again i dont know what the obvious is....

how do u know so much about it...themajority of the things u think u know about christianity is false....from the celebrating christmas to the baptizing kids as toddlers...u may know things abut religion in general but ur actinglike u know about every religion and all of them are liars and shit...just like u may think religiou people r naive, thats how they may view u...

16 Micz wrote:

samurai JK wrote:well im sure plenty of kids my age have been addicted to things before i mean some grown christians are addicted to ciggaretess and goin to da club on saturday before church!

then their not christians, like plex said, their hypocrites

everyone is a sinner. you can be religious and a sinner, as we are all born with original sin. Its not a matter of never sinning, its a matter of repenting and working on changing your ways. I smoke cigarettes, that doesn't make me a bad catholic, that makes me a human.

i didnt read most of this thread, its too long. and most of the people on this site are 12-17 it appears, and thats not a real good age group to attempt a religious/political debate with. no offense.

religion is the Biggest Part of the Take Over!!!!!

religion is a crock of bullshit.

If you believe that the bible has been transfered from language to language correctly...then you're just fucking stupid.

This shit is all made to A, make you not so scared, B, follow the laws of the government, C, control people.

Typeo wrote:religion is a crock of bullshit.

If you believe that the bible has been transfered from language to language correctly...then you're just fucking stupid.

people like you are the reason i tend to dislike atheists. Im religious, your not religious, fine. But the 'im so much smarter than you' atheist crowd that believes religious people are 'fucking stupid' and that their deeply held beliefs are a 'crock of bullshit', piss alot of people off.

believe what you believe, dont call other people 'fucking stupid' because they have a differing view.

I never said that I was atheist.

I believe in something, but religion is bullshit. To go to church and feel that you must goto church to goto heaven, and all the other things that you 'must' do...is stupid.

So yes, I say go on in believing what you want. But if it involves the lines that are drawn out by a religion to make you so 'commited'...then its your own downfall.