Hip Hop Forum

its startin to look dat way cuz alot of good ppl ex. eminem, lil jon, lil wyte, and a few others don't even rhyme no more and all of its about dancein now we need sumbody to bring back da old shit.. make music like 2pac and biggie any body else agree

amen

lil jon and lil white suck. there not good

i kinda mentioned dat dere bro lil wyte had to good songs acid, and oxycotton, and lil jon he is a good producer but cant rap worth shit

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Mainstream hip-hop is dead, and nothing incredible is coming out in the underground.

There are a few exceptions, Talib, Common, etc.

What You Mean Dead Fams? Im Tellin Ya Straight, The Underground Aint Dead Plex.

complexity wrote:word

Mainstream hip-hop is dead, and nothing incredible is coming out in the underground.

There are a few exceptions, Talib, Common, etc.

The Common and Talib Kweli albums were both shit

I don't think they were. Then again that's looking at it from a perspective of this year.

As for the underground being dead. I didn't say it was. I just said nothing INCREDIBLE is coming out in it and that mainstream hip-hop is dead.

Incredible is compared to "Soul On Ice".

I can name a shit load of great cds that came out from the underground over the past year and half.

Hip-hop isn't dead.

its an oversaturated market, but at any time in history their is more bad art than good art, its just simple logic, so when their became more "artists"(i use this term loosly), it made the lack of talent more visible

just think about it mathematically, so lets say 5 years ago, their were an average two good albums out per month(their weren't) with 50 rappers in the game, okay so their were 25 albums in 2002 that you would be listening to (i added one number to make it even considering the rate of good albums fluctuates, and its more than likely their were more good albums in some months and less in others)

fast foward it to the present... so lets say out of those 25 good artists 5 didn't drop this year because they dropped 4th quarter in the year prior, 5 had label/financial troubles, & 5 just dissappeared from the public eye, leaving you with 10 artists coming out that you would support, but since rapping becomes more popular, instead of the original 50, you have 150, with 25 you didn't support 5 years prior so won't like this year either, leaving you with 125, and 15 of the previous artists you supported aren't coming out with an album this year so you have 110 out of which you have 10 rappers you'll support cause you're a fan of their previous work and 100 rappers you're not sure about

so logically the odds of the 100 being divided 50-50 between good & bad, is highly unlikely because you haven't heard of them before & its an accepted fact that the majority of artists in any field aren't very talented, so we'll say 20% of the artists coming out of the 100 you'll like plus the additional 10 rappers you already like, leaving you with 30 albums you'll like this year, but since the oversaturated market enjoys club music and the type of music that the 10 artists you already like make isn't club music, 5 of the artists'll try to conform and make radio hit imitations leaving you with 5 rappers you have faith in and are still a fan of and 20 rappers with debuts you like, leaving only 25 albums you'll like in the year

so the year still has the same amount of likable material the only difference is you've lost faith in around half of the artists you liked previously, & whats popular changed(in your opinion for the worse) so the majority of the rappers that are popular are producing more music cause the demand for them is higher, while those that are unpopular aren't heard about as much or funded as much, so they have more difficulty releasing material, plus with 3 times more music coming out theirs a larger number of artists that you don't like but hear more about so it makes it seem like theirs a decline in good music when in reality the ratio changed but theirs still the same amount of albums you'll like out

Hip Hop aint dead when you got Crooked I and Joell Ortiz

how can hip hop be dead if we still listen to it, and support album sales?

shit, all the songs Tupac made in his short time could last us easily another 50 years

whats dead is the Golden Age of Hip Hop from Rakims debut to when Biggie died.

Hip Hop isn't dead. It's still alive and kickin. Hell...if it were dead. There wouldn't be an army of emcees, textcees, producers and everything else right here on illest. Not a very big army...but enough people that are here because they enjoy the same shit. It's called Hip Hop. Or even just plain ol' Rap. Sure, some individuals show more promise than others...but no matter what rap forum you go to...you'll see the same thing. You'll see talent...you'll see "has potential"....and you'll see wack emcees. Add us all together...you have quite a large number of underground artists from this new generation. A new generation of Hip-Hop. And by the time some of us step up to bat (God love us) and take a swing and hopefully make it in the "big leagues"...get a contract...put out a few albums. Here...in the underground...on the streets...and on the forums...the new breed and even latest generation of artists will be boiling...cooking up that new sound.

Hip Hop may sometimes come off as too big for it's own good...but if there's one thing I'd put my money on...
...it's that Hip-Hop will never die.

Believe that.

^agreed

leave it to the ol'heads to clarify.

Hip hop died once everyone started downloading fruity loops and thought they where the illest, when in reality 100% of all the best hip hop was never even created with it. Now a days its fucking over used, im sick of hearing the same lame synths, those strings are the gayest. What happened to the raw shit. Thank god wu-tang has a new cd coming out, even tho most kids probably don't even kno about, they can keep listening to there ghostwritten lil wayne beacuse i hear hes dope for now a days... R.I.P Ason Unique